Paracas Peru Puzzle
The Elongated Skulls of Paracas Peru
This is my in-depth investigation into the elongated skulls of Paracas, Peru. When this information about the elongated skulls was first mentioned to the public, there were claims that these skulls were non-human, possibly even extra-terrestrial. Brien Foerster and his team sent samples to DNA labs to conduct testing to determine the haplotypes of these skulls to settle the matter, concluding that human DNA haplotypes were present in the samples. I listened to a YouTube video (posted at the bottom of this article) by Brien Foerster about this subject and copied the transcript. I only edited out the "uhs," "ums," and "ands" and corrected some of the misspellings. I then used ChatGPT to fact-check some of the claims. The answers from ChatGPT are sometimes much longer than what I present here, so you can ask more questions on your own if you like. I also present further information about some of the researchers involved with Brien’s investigation team. I have broken the video claims from Brien into sections and have included links where you can go for more information.
Cranial elongation is a widespread ancient practice seen across various cultures around the world, including the Paracas region of Peru. This practice typically involved artificial cranial deformation, where infants’ skulls were bound, shaped, or altered over time to achieve an elongated appearance. At birth, a baby’s skull is highly pliable, with bones not fully fused and the spaces between them, called fontanelles, remaining open. This flexibility allows for brain growth during the early stages of life and makes it possible to shape the skull as it develops. Cultures such as the Maya, Egyptians, and various groups across Africa, Asia, and Europe have engaged in this practice, often as a symbol of status, religious beliefs, or ethnic identity. While cranial elongation was primarily a cultural custom, the Paracas skulls stand out due to their unique characteristics.
The position presented by Brien Foerster and his team is not that the practice of artificial cranial deformation doesn’t exist at all; rather, they suggest that it is possible that some of the elongated skulls, especially those of the Paracas, may not be entirely artificial. They speculate that there could have been a group of people with naturally occurring elongated skulls who lived alongside the Paracas culture, and that the practice of cranial deformation may have been an attempt to emulate this perceived revered genetic trait.
This article may come across as too skeptical in tone. However, I have not personally come to any conclusions regarding the skulls since I do not possess the expertise in the fields of archaeology, cranial physiology, or genetics. I also recognize that it can be difficult for some 'out of the box' researchers to publish their findings within the mainstream accepted paradigm. Additionally, I am aware that ChatGPT primarily relies on accepted narratives and can occasionally provide incorrect or incomplete information. Nevertheless, I believe it is important to present counterarguments so that you, the reader, can decide for yourself. I would also like to recognize and appreciate the fact that these researchers are willing to ask important questions and bring public attention to the field of archaeology, albeit sometimes with sensational claims.
Brien Foerster’s Video Introduction:
Brien Foerster coming to you from Paracas in Peru you an update as to the recently released DNA results of the Paracas people now it's taken us 5 years since we began this process to actually get the results it took almost three years to get or two and a half to get permission from the Ministry of Culture Peru who we worked with very closely especially with archaeologist Rubén García in order to have the DNA testing approved by the government.
A total of 18 skulls was tested and results came back from 12 the DNA was so badly degraded after 2,000 to 3,000 years that of the 58 samples of 18 skulls we got results from 12 of the skulls from two different Laboratories one in Canada the Lakehead University and another one at UCLA in California a third lab was also utilized at Santa Cruz University of California but they stated that of the, I think 18 samples they were given no results were forthcoming. We're not sure if that's true or whether the results were so bizarre that they decided to hide them.
So, I can basically tell you is that all Native American people of 100%, Native ancestry are supposed to be and were of the Haplogroups A B C and D.
ChatGPT fact check regarding haplogroups of Native Americans:
It’s generally accepted that most Native American populations, particularly those of 100% Native ancestry, predominantly belong to Haplogroups A, B, C, and D within the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) lineage. These haplogroups are unique to Indigenous peoples of the Americas, which suggests a long isolation of these populations following their migration to the continent from Asia thousands of years ago.
Here’s a breakdown:
Haplogroups A, B, C, and D are the major mtDNA haplogroups found in Indigenous peoples of the Americas.
Haplogroups A and B are more commonly associated with populations in North and South America, particularly the northern and southern regions, respectively.
Haplogroups C and D are also widespread in Indigenous populations, but they are more common in certain regions, particularly in the North and Central parts of the Americas.
However, it is important to note that haplogroups X (an ancient Eurasian lineage) is also found in some Native American populations, especially in certain groups in the Northeastern U.S. and parts of Canada.
Brien Foerster on Paracas skull haplogroup:
So this is one of the Paracas elongated skulls this is one that we believe is natural in shape and as I turn it you will see the complexity of the design you see all that amazing curvature and basically there's a depression here where the two hemispheres would be the eye sockets are very large and the there's a lack of a sagittal suture here.
So the results that we got for the elongated skulls were of haplo group B which relates to the fact that um there was Native American ancestry involved but the other ones were not and the most common haplogroups that showed up were U2e and also H, H1 a and H2 if you look at where the most prevalent percentage of U2e and the H ones are it it is in between the Black and Caspian Seas as in the Caucasus Mountains so that's very intriguing.
ChatGPT fact check regarding haplogroups of the Paracas skulls vs. European skulls and Caucasus region:
The statement from Brien Foerster regarding the haplogroups found in the elongated skulls is partially accurate, but it contains some nuances that should be clarified. Let's break it down:
Haplogroup B in the elongated skulls:
Haplogroup B is indeed common in Native American populations, particularly in North and South America. If the skulls are from Native American ancestry, this is plausible.
U2e and H (H1a and H2):
U2e and H are haplogroups typically found in Eurasian populations, specifically around the Caucasus and Black Sea regions.
U2e is part of the U family, which is found in Europe, the Caucasus, and parts of Central Asia.
H is a mitochondrial haplogroup that is very common in Europe and Western Asia, including the Caucasus region.
H1a and H2 are subclades of Haplogroup H and are found in high frequencies in Europe and parts of the Middle East. These subclades are prevalent in the Caucasus region, which is between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
Geographical connection to the Caucasus:
The Caucasus Mountains region, which lies between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea, is indeed an area where Haplogroups like U2e and H (including subclades like H1a and H2) are prevalent.
This geographical connection is relevant, as it suggests that the genetic lineage of some of these individuals could have ties to populations from this region.
Conclusion:
The overall message in the video is largely accurate, with Haplogroups U2e and H (H1a and H2) being more common in populations from the Caucasus region, which aligns with the statement. The idea that these haplogroups show up in elongated skulls and suggest a possible link to people from the Black Sea and Caucasus region is plausible based on available genetic research.
However, it's important to note that the haplogroups alone do not necessarily mean direct ancestry or migration from the Caucasus, as they could be the result of shared genetic history over many millennia. Further research would be needed to establish clear connections.
Brien Foerster speculates on migration:
What I can also share with you is what I believe was the migrational pattern because these people like the some indigenous people of the Caspian area and Black Sea area were and are dark red haired and also very light skin and green eyes and this seems to correspond as well with with the elongated skulls so I believe what happened was about 3,000 years ago the ancestors of the Paracas decided to leave the area because they were being invaded by someone and so they traveled south through Iraq and Iran to the Persian Gulf and there they wound up sailing eastwards and eventually found their way to the coast of Peru there are different routes they could have used they could have gone through Hawaii they also could have gone through New Zealand but then they wound up at the largest natural Bay on the coast of Peru which is Paracas and that's where they decided to live because there was basically no one living there they could live in peace.
Brien Foerster on Paracas skull DNA results:
Hi this is Brien Foerster coming to you from Paracas in Peru and this is part two of a five-part series about the elongated skulls DNA results from Paracus. Now in part one I briefly discussed the anomalies that were found in a number of the elongated skulls 18 were tested and good results came from about 12 or 13 of them and the most commonality that I can glean from this is that the occurrence of the U2e Haplogroup and the occurrence of H Haplogroup, including possibly H1 and h1a maybe even H2 mean that the point of origin for the Paracas would appear to be somewhere in the Caucasus area in between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
Now after doing a little more research I've been able to focus on more the Black Sea area and actually Crimea. Now this may seem strange but the DNA does seem to point in that direction, and another interesting thing is that the largest elongated skulls in the world are found in Paracas Peru, and then the second largest elongated skulls which look very much similar to the Paracus are found in the Black Sea area and in the Crimea.
The Paracus culture lived between 2,000 and 3,000 years ago and those elongated skulls found in the Crimea again are also around 2,000 plus years old so the timeline is very similar.
ChatGPT fact check on dating:
The Paracas people lived about 2,000 to 2,500 years ago.
The elongated skulls found in the Black Sea region and Crimea do indeed date to a period around 2,000 years ago. The broader practice of cranial deformation in the region spans a longer period.
Brien Foerster speculates on migration from the Black Sea to Peru:
Now I've also shown photographs in the beginning of this video all of those are from the Black Sea area and then also if we try to look at the migration pattern which I show maps of it would appear that these people were displaced initially they headed south into the Persian Gulf then they were able to catch winds and currents and travel eastwards and then catch what is called the counter current into the Pacific that could have taken them as far east as Columbia and Ecuador and then simply by waiting for the winds to change from predominantly South coming from the south to coming from the north they could have easily sailed down the coast of South America and found the largest natural Bay in Peru which is exactly at Paracas.
ChatGPT fact check on migration possibilities— Chat said this statement by Brien was speculative, but did confirm the following part:
Use of winds and currents to reach the Pacific:
The concept of using winds and currents for oceanic travel is historically grounded, as Polynesians and other ancient maritime cultures navigated vast distances by following ocean currents and wind patterns. However, suggesting that ancient populations from the Black Sea used these same methods to reach the Pacific and South America is highly speculative. While there are theories of pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact, they remain controversial and unsupported by mainstream archaeological evidence. The counter currents that may have allowed for such travel would be highly dependent on specific conditions, and there is no direct evidence of ancient populations from the Black Sea making these long-distance voyages to the Americas.
Sailing down the coast to Paracas:
The idea that these groups could have followed oceanic currents down the South American coast to the Paracas region is theoretically possible, especially if they reached Colombia or Ecuador. However, this assumes that the necessary maritime technology, navigational knowledge, and willingness for such a long-distance voyage existed. Moreover, there is no concrete evidence that groups from the Black Sea reached Peru in this way. The Paracas culture itself is known for pre-Columbian coastal civilizations in Peru, but their origins are usually connected to other ancient cultures in the Andes and Pacific coastal regions, not directly to Europe or the Black Sea.
Brien Foerster, on colorful and intricate Peru textiles:
Also notice the photos I showed you of the textiles because the first two textiles are of the Paracus the third one is from the Crimea area and notice the very complicated coloration and tight weaving. The Paracas were the finest weavers in the Americas and how could this be that they were a crude culture and then all of a sudden they developed all of these incredible colors. I think that is a key that links them back to the Crimea area not to mention the elongated heads. The ones in the Black Sea I don't think have been DNA tested yet but that's something I would definitely like to pursue.
My comment: He doesn’t show these textiles in this video, so it is probably in a different video, but I did look up the textile work of the Paracas peoples and it is very beautiful. They also practiced intricate metallurgy, ceramics, and had glass objects. Here are some links for further research:
Antiquity: A material and technical study of Paracas painted ceramics
Culturasperuanas Website: Paracas Metallurgy
Brien Foerster speculates on date palm trees:
Then the other thing is that there are thousands of date palm trees located here in Paracas when you travel north towards Lima they disappear when you travel South towards Nasca they disappear so the focal point of these date palms are here in Paracas and nobody uses them to this day. They don't eat the dates they don't use the Palm fronds for anything.
In the Middle East the date palm is one of the most by far important plants and I believe that as these people were escaping South towards the Red Sea they may have collected some of the dates and nuts knew their importance and took them with them or seeds took them with them on their Eastward journey and planted them here in order to utilize the products.
ChatGPT fact check on Date Palms:
Yes, it is generally true that the date palms in Paracas, Peru, are not widely used by the local population. While date palms (specifically Phoenix dactylifera) are native to the Middle East and parts of North Africa, the date palms found in Paracas are not typically harvested for dates or other uses like palm fronds, as is common in their native regions.
In Paracas, these date palms are present, but they are not part of local agricultural practices, and locals do not seem to rely on them for food or other products. The palms may have been planted historically, but there is no widespread commercial or cultural use of them in the region today. This has raised questions about how they arrived in the area, as the presence of date palms is unusual for South America, especially in such a concentrated area like Paracas.
Phoenix dactylifera Date Palm Wikipedia
Brien Foerster discusses the foramen magnum:
So that is part two and then in part three we're going to get into probably Rick Woodward who's an anthropologist who studied the foramen magnum which is where your spinal column enters your skull it's much farther back than it should be in the Paraca skulls and that indicates a genetic anomaly that the foramen magnum being so far back is because the skull was so large and kind of leaning backwards that the foramen magnum genetically was there in order to keep the skull erect.
I'll also be doing another video about the work of Dr. Michael Alday who is a medical doctor who looks at the genetic differences and physical differences and then also Dr Malcolm Warren who's a chiropractor.
Please focus on what's called the foramen magnum where your spinal column enters the bottom of your skull now first of all in a normal skull there is what is called this sagittal suture in red but it seems to be completely lacking in what we call the natural elongated skulls of Paracas also the foramen magnum of a normal skull is located at the balance point near the center and in the Paraca skulls it's physically way to the back, that is genetic. Note here with this baby skull that the neck is at the very back very unusual.
Brien Foerster thanks Erich von Däniken:
We were very fortunate to have Erich von Däniken go through the DNA results recently and he's completely fascinated he visited our Paracas Museum and will be returning many times.
Erich von Däniken YouTube Channel
Brien Foerster on the Paracas skulls examination:
Hi this is Brien Foerster coming to you from Paracas in Peru and this is DNA update of the Paracas number three in a series. I'm not sure how many there will be probably five or six parts but this is part three, and this is looking at physical anomalies of the Paracas elongated skulls, and the work is in this book which will be available at the end of the video, or the email address.
This work is done was done by Dr. Michael Alday who is an American physician, Dr Malcolm Warren who is an American chiropractor, and Rick Woodward who is a physical Anthropologist.
Artificial Cranial deformation
Now this is what we call cranial deformation you can tell the volume of the skull is that of a normal human and the forehead and the back of the skull have been flattened so this is what cranial deformation on the coast of Peru looks like this.
Natural Paracas Skull
On the other hand is what we call a natural Paracas, skull you can see the volume is greater than the previous skull I showed you and the whole shape is much more complex than simple cranial deformation, and so we think this person was born with an elongated skull.
Also as you saw in the the photos before at the beginning of the video the foramen magnum which which is where your spinal cord column vertebrae enter the bottom of the skull is positioned at a place of balance. The balance point which is an obvious evolutionary thing but the anomaly in the Paracas elongated skulls that we believe are natural and even some with cranial, or sorry with head boarding, their foramen magnum as you can see here is at the back back of the skull. So that is a genetic trait you cannot change the position of the foramen magnum simply by binding a skull because trying to do that especially with the baby you would wind up killing that person or that child. And so this is one of the genetic characteristics of what we call a natural elongated skull.
Also the suture line here is the suture running across this way but there is no sign of the sagittal suture whatsoever, and notice the curvature here as if the two hemispheres are being represented or the shaping was done by nature in order to have this dip inside of here.
Eye sockets and “Inca Bones”
Also the eye sockets are up to 50% larger than normal and these bones in the back these tiny bones here are not in a normal human being these are called Inca bones they are found in the Royal Inca people but also clearly here in the Paracas as well so that is another genetic characteristic and that may in fact link the elongated skulls of Paracas Peru who died out 2,000 years ago with the rise of the Inca culture.
My comment: when I asked ChatGPT questions about these features, I personally was not particularly convinced one way or another. I didn’t think ChatGPT had a significant enough counter argument to Brien’s points. Basically it just re-confirmed that all these features could happen with the mainstream explanation of cranial boarding similar to the answer below about the ‘Inca bones’. But I would be interested in finding out more.
ChatGPT fact check about the “Inca bones”
The "Inca bones" are small, extra bones found in the occipital region of the skull, often associated with cranial deformation. They are rare and most commonly seen in Inca nobility and some Andean populations, where they are sometimes called royal bones. Brien Forester suggests that these bones are present in both the Paracas skulls and Inca royal skulls, which may indicate a genetic link between the two cultures. However, these bones could also be a result of cranial deformation, and the connection between the Paracas and Inca is still debated in scientific circles.
These bones are considered unusual and not typically seen in most modern humans, which adds to the mystery surrounding the Paracas and their possible connection to other ancient cultures like the Inca.
Brien Foerster speculates shared Inca ancestry
It's quite possible that the Inca and the Paracas shared ancestry it said in the Spanish Chronicles that the Royal Inca people had reddish hair and of course the Paracas people also had reddish hair so that is your update for now I will be doing at least two more parts in one we'll be looking at the blood type differences between Native Americans and the Paracas and also in another part I'll go into a more detailed description of the differences between Native American DNA as in haplo groups and those found in the Paracas.
ChatGPT fact check on red hair and possible Paracas shared ancestry with Inca:
The claim that the Royal Inca people had red hair is not strongly supported by historical or archaeological evidence. While the Spanish chronicles mention some Inca individuals with lighter hair, including red hair, these descriptions are generally not considered conclusive. It's also important to note that in some cases, darker hair can fade to reddish hues as it ages, especially in mummified remains, which could explain the red hair observed in Paracas individuals. The presence of red hair in Paracas people could be due to natural genetic variation, but it does not definitively prove shared ancestry with the Inca. More research is needed to establish any direct genetic link between the two groups.
Me: what is the usual counter argument about red hair in mummified remains?
The counter-argument to the red hair in the Paracas mummies being a sign of a distinct genetic trait is that hair color can fade over time due to oxidation, especially in mummified remains. Additionally, the hair could have been dyed or naturally changed color due to environmental factors or age-related changes, as red hues can sometimes appear more prominent in ancient remains but might not have been the original color.
Me: is this speculation or proven with other mummified remains?
The changes in hair color in mummies have been studied through various scientific methods, such as:
Microscopic Analysis: Researchers have examined mummified hair under microscopes to observe alterations in the structure of hair and the impact of environmental conditions, like oxidation, over time.
Chemical Analysis: Studies on the chemical composition of hair have revealed the presence of substances like melanin (which gives hair color), and how it can degrade or change chemically, leading to color shifts over time. Chemical analysis of mummified hair using techniques like spectroscopy can show how oxidation or exposure to moisture and air can alter pigments.
Comparison with Modern Hair: Researchers have compared ancient mummified hair with modern hair samples, noting that similar processes like oxidation can cause color changes in hair, supporting the idea that ancient hair could undergo similar transformations.
Brien Foerster thanks Marcia Moore, Artist
Thank you, this is the brilliant artist Marcia Moore of the United States and she is going to do facial reconstruction of this Paracas skull called Cinnamon that died about 2,000 years ago. So she starts out by doing computer Imaging of it in 3D and of course the work in the beginning is kind of crude and simplistic but then she starts to layer it Cinnamon was a Paracas woman who died at the age of about 16, 2,000 years ago and this is Marcia's computer image of what she thinks that Cinnamon looked like with variations in terms of hairstyle.
We know that Cinnamon probably had dark reddish hair which is typical of the Paracas royalty and here she's experimenting with jewelry, and here even basing it on people who had elongated heads about a 100 years ago. So that is the computer work that she has done and now here is a casting of a true Paracas skull again this is Cinnamon and now she's starting to build up from the casting itself fleshing it out in 3D you can see she's put eyeballs in and gradually layer upon layer Cinnamon comes back to life she hasn't quite finished it yet but she is at the final stages of completing cinnamon again the addition of more layers muscle tissue and now working on the finer details this is the Cinnamon skull that was in the previous YouTube video.
Marcia Moore Studio Forensic Reconstructions Website
Brien Foerster thanks Mark Laplume, Artist:
And for at least seven years I've been sending Mark Laplume photographs of elongated skulls not only from Paracas but from other parts of the world and Mark has done faithful reproductions based upon his artistic talent of what these ancient people who lived 2,000 to 3,000 years ago what they looked like. Now Mark has done this free of charge and again he has made at least 2,000 drawings based on some photographs that he's found from ancient collections again as well as those sent to him by me and by other people what he does enjoy having multiple views so that way he can get the proper curvature of the face etc. and here we see examples of his work now Mark has a Facebook page called root race research and in that you can find possibly all 2,000 of the drawings that he has done.
Now, as you can see from Mark's perspective the ancient Paracas people were not very native American looking like they look more European is but that is his impression that's not some kind of influence that I tried to make on him. And now with the recent DNA evidence results that we've received from 18 different Paracas skulls, there are indeed European and or Eurasian Haplo groups associated with the ancient Paracas people which according to standard Academia should not be there. But data does not lie.
So please check out his Facebook page of root race research and though you may think that this is not drawn from an actual skull it is because several of these have been found not only in the Paracas area but other parts of Peru.
Ancient Origins Interview with Mark Laplume
Mark Laplume Facebook Root Race Research
About Rúben García, Archaeologist, Ministry of Culture Peru:
Hi this is Brian Foerster coming to you from Paracas in Peru this is part six of a seven-part YouTube series about the elongated skull DNA research of Paracas in Peru and this part is about the team of people who were involved in this process. There were 10 important people involved and I wish to give a brief description of each and what their role was. Of course I was the coordinator in Peru itself. I've been studying the elongated skulls of Paracas for about 10 years, and so I was the one coordinating between the Ministry of Culture, specifically Rubén García (who is a leading archaeologist for the Ministry of Culture in Peru), and making local, organizational things like transport etc. hotels etc., and I did this along with the vital assistance of my wife Irene.
An interesting article about Rúben García: Wall Street Journal, Peruvians Spar Over Protecting Ancient Sites
Brien Foerster thanks Dr. L.A. Marzulli:
And then in the United States, the main coordinator by far was Dr. L.A. Marzulli. L.A. made several trips down sometimes with team members, sometimes with simply one camera person. If he was not involved, there's no way this process would have reached its climax which it has now. He was responsible for coordinating with the two DNA Labs located in North America. Also he was able to get the $100,000 which was utilized and required in order to be able to do the proper DNA testing in two of the 10 top DNA Laboratories in the world.
Brien Foerster thanks Mondo Gonzales, Archaeologist:
He did this as well with Mondo Gonzalez who is an American archaeologist. Mondo wrote up the report at the end. He was involved in the the sampling here in Peru both at the Museum and the Senior Juan Navaro Museum in Paracas. So Mondo was a very vital person to have.
Biblical archaeologist and pastor Mondo Gonzales: Mondo Gonzales Prophecy Watchers Website
A sceptic interviews Mondo Gonzales: Jason Colavito Blog
Brien Foerster thanks Chase Kloetzke:
Then we also had Chase Kloetzke who was responsible for making sure that the environments both at the Ica Museum and also the Paracas museum of Senior Juan were as sterile as possible. She was the one who took the samples as soon as they were removed from the skulls and put them into perfect sterile packages, labeled them, packaged them and brought them them to the United States. So without Chase's help, we would get a lot of accusations of contamination. But both laboratory said that the work Chase did was superior to what was required. So hats off to her.
Open Minds UAP News Podcast Chase Kloetzke Investigating the Starchild Skull
Brien Foerster thanks Richard Shaw:
Then we also had Richard Shaw, who documented the entire process. He came down multiple times sometimes just with Dr L.A. Marzulli, sometimes with the team. He recorded all of the DNA sampling, the location such as the cemetery, and other places as well. So without his documentation we wouldn't have the full evidence. So Richard did a brilliant job.
About Dr. Malcolm Warren, Dr. Michael Alday & Rick Woodward
Also then Dr Malcolm Warren an American chiropractor, Dr. Michael Alday a medical physician in the United States of 35 years of experience, and Rick Woodward who is an anthropologist in the United States. The three of them were mainly studying the abnormalities or differences of the elongated skulls of Paracas Peru as compared to normal skulls, and also other skulls of other cultural groups of this area. And they were able to figure out that the lack of the sagittal suture here is a probably a genetic abnormality. Not the the idea that it was prematurely closed or calcified, it seemed to simply not be there according to them. Also the eye sockets appear to be larger than normal.
A view from a skeptic:
My fact check with ChatGPT:
This statement contains several inaccuracies and unverified claims:
Dr. Malcolm Warren, Dr. Michael Alday, and Rick Woodward:
Dr. Malcolm Warren does not appear in scientific literature regarding Paracas skulls. There are no verified sources confirming his involvement in anthropological research.
Dr. Michael Alday is a U.S. physician, but there is no peer-reviewed research connecting him to studies on Paracas skulls.
Rick Woodward has been referred to as a physical anthropologist, but there are no published studies by him in reputable journals about the Paracas skulls.
Sagittal suture absence:
The lack of a sagittal suture in some Paracas skulls has not been scientifically proven to be a genetic trait.
The more likely explanation is craniosynostosis (premature fusion of the suture), which can be caused by deformation or genetic factors. However, no genetic proof exists that Paracas skulls were naturally missing this suture from birth.
Eye socket size:
Some Paracas skulls may have larger-looking eye sockets, but this has not been scientifically established as a genetic difference.
Skull shape can be altered through artificial cranial deformation, which may change the perceived size of eye sockets.
Conclusion:
This statement misrepresents the scientific consensus. The lack of a sagittal suture is not proven to be genetic, and the claim about larger eye sockets is not backed by peer-reviewed research. Additionally, the credentials and expertise of the named individuals in this field are questionable.
Brien Foerster on Paracas skulls oval foramen magnum, and elongated neck theory:
And the foramen magnum, which again is where your spinal column enters the bottom of your skull. The position of it is much farther back than is normal and so all three were able to figure out that there's no way that the movement of the foramen magnum backwards like that could be the result of cranial deformation. It has to be genetic also the opening of the foramen magnum appears to be oval and not round as it is in Homo Sapiens Sapiens and that's another abnormality. I believe all three concluded that the necks of the Paracas elongated skulls would be longer and thinner than normal. So those are the factors that they figured out.
My fact check with ChatGPT:
Cranial deformation vs. genetic cause: While artificial cranial deformation does not change skull volume, it can impact skull shape, including foramen magnum placement. The assertion that it "has to be genetic" is not proven.
Shape of the foramen magnum: It is not universally oval in Paracas skulls, and variations in shape exist within human populations. Many Homo sapiens already have an elliptical or slightly oval foramen magnum rather than a perfect circle.
Longer, thinner necks: There is no skeletal evidence confirming that Paracas individuals had elongated or thinner necks due to foramen magnum placement. If this were true, it should be observable in the vertebrae, which has not been documented in recognized studies.
My comment: Jason Colavito also suggests that Brien Foerster’s team may be influenced by certain biblical interpretations, particularly the idea of "long necks" associated with the Nephilim or giants in some translations. He raises the concern that this perspective might shape their analysis of the Paracas skulls, potentially leading them to focus on evidence that aligns with these beliefs rather than approaching the matter from a strictly scientific standpoint.
Brien Foerster thanks Rúben of the Ministry of Culture of Peru again:
Also of course Rúben the archaeologist in Peru in was vital, because we had to do this with the Peruvian Ministry of Culture. There was no way that we could take even little powdered samples of Paracas material outside of Peru for testing without the approval of the Ministry of Culture of Peru and without Ruben's assistance. That would have been almost impossible. So my personal thanks to the other nine members of this group that worked together very well, and hats off to all of them for their expertise.
Now in part seven what I'm going to do is get into a more detailed discussion of the actual DNA haplo groups that were found because many of them were not indigenous to the Americas and were not present supposedly in South America, technically before the first Spanish arrived in the 1500s. So this means that 2,000 plus years ago, there were people called the Paracas, a very complex DNA background, that were living on the coast of Peru.
I'll also discuss blood type samples that were taken. Supposedly prior to the arrival of the Europeans in the 16th century all Native people especially of Peru and South America in general were supposed to be 100% blood type O, and this is not the case, so I'll get into that in the final seventh chapter of this series. Thank you so much for your interest.
Brien Foester discusses DNA testing and haplogroups:
Hi this is Brian Foerster coming to you from Paracas in Peru and this is the summary of the DNA testing of the Paracas elongated skulls and related abnormalities found by medical professionals in the skulls themselves. Now the academics that we are associated with here in Peru and elsewhere, their prediction for the results of the elongated skull testing (of which we had 18 different skulls tested), was that the haplo groups that would be found would be a B, C or D because those are the haplo groups of the Native American people whose ancestors crossed over the Bearing land bridge 12,000 plus years ago.
We have sent the data out to different academics, those that wish to examine the data are welcome to contact us in order to do peer review should they wish. But I think they will be somewhat disturbed with the fact that some of the haplo groups of the mitochondrial DNA that came back were in fact (a few were B, which is typical Native American), but other ones that showed up included U2e K J and H.
My comment: Brien didn’t mention K & J before in his earlier video clip, I’m wondering why he added this information.
Brien Foerster’s Thesis:
The commonality of those are, they were all found around the Black Sea and Crimea area. Also, the largest elongated skulls in the world aside from the Paracas have been found in the Black Sea and Crimea area.
So I'm now working on that relationship there must have been some kind of maritime movement 3,000 plus years ago from that area, is my thesis. As regards the physical abnormalities, as I said in previous videos, the foramen magnum (which is where your spinal column enters the bottom of your skull) is at the center point in Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and it is quite round in shape. But the ones of the Paracas elongated skulls, are significantly to the back, and oval, and narrower. So they probably had longer, thinner necks than Homo Sapiens Sapiens. That of course is a genetic abnormality that cannot be explained by cranial deforation that was confirmed by the medical experts that we had in this book which is available from L.A., lamarzulli.net.
Also it will be explored by other medical professionals such as my radiologist friend Ken and then also there are things called foramen ovale, I believe they're called, which are up and inside here in the skull. That is where nerve and blood flow comes out to feed the face and that gives us our face facial expressions. They seem to be absent in the Paracas elongated skulls. Which means their facial expressions would have been very different from us, which again is an abnormality. Also the two holes in the back of the skull in the Paracas were for blood and nerve flow because of the elongated nature of the skull.
ChatGPT fact check on foramen ovale:
The foramen ovale is an opening (or hole) in the skull, specifically in the sphenoid bone. It is part of the base of the skull, located near the area where the greater wing of the sphenoid bone meets the temporal bone. The foramen ovale allows the passage of important structures, including the mandibular nerve (a branch of the trigeminal nerve), the accessory meningeal artery, and other smaller nerves and vessels.
In embryonic development, there is also a different structure called the foramen ovale in the heart, which is an opening between the right and left atria. This is present in fetuses and allows blood to bypass the lungs, but it closes after birth in most individuals.
In the context of your research, if referring to the skull, the foramen ovale serves a role in the nervous system, while its location and size may vary among different species and populations.
The foramen ovale allows nerves and blood vessels to pass through the skull, but it does not directly control facial expressions—those rely on the facial nerve (CN VII). There is no evidence that Paracas skulls lacked foramen ovale, and even if they did, it wouldn't drastically change facial expressions. Claims about extra holes in the back of the skull may relate to cranial deformation but need more study.
There is no published anatomical study confirming that Paracas skulls lack the foramen ovale. The foramen ovale is a standard feature of the human skull, located in the sphenoid bone, and its absence would be an extreme anomaly. CT scans or detailed osteological studies would be required to confirm such a claim, but no peer-reviewed research has documented this in Paracas skulls. Without direct evidence from scientific analysis, the statement remains speculative.
Brien Foerster on Paracas skull blood types:
Not in the book, but the blood types are very curious. 12 different samples of ancient Paracas elongated skulls blood was tested. A paper was written, the paper was then removed by other academics because it doesn't conform to standard or the standard story of History. 100% of Native American people who are 100% Native American genetically from Mexico all the way down to the southern tip of South America were and are supposed to be blood type O 100%. But the results of the Paracas were actually a 14 samples: blood type A 28.5%, blood type B 7.1%, blood type AB which is the rarest on the planet 21.4%, and only 43% were blood type O. So Will Hart and I who is an author, will be writing a paper for Nexus magazine about this.
ChatGPT fact check on blood types:
The claim that all Native Americans are 100% blood type O is inaccurate—while blood type O is predominant among Indigenous peoples of the Americas, blood types A, B, and AB do exist in lower frequencies, particularly due to genetic admixture.
The specific Paracas blood type percentages mentioned (43% O, 28.5% A, 7.1% B, 21.4% AB) are unverified, with no known genetic study confirming these numbers.
Without access to the original alleged research and peer review, this claim remains speculative and unproven.
My comment: Of course Mr. Foerster says this is due to the scientific journals rejecting their scientific papers. I haven’t been able to find an update on the publishing of a scientific journal publishing of the blood types.
Brien Foerster’s conclusion:
What we can basically say is that the Paracas were a very complex genetic being existing 2,000 plus years ago on the coast, and the genetic anomalies are very curious because again they should only be A B C and D. But there seems to be a very powerful Eurasian component to their DNA. I don't know if academics will bother writing papers about this, whether they'll attack us. The results are the results, data is data, fact is fact, and so that is the summary of the story.
This next part of my research is long, but I’m including it because it reveals how everything ChatGPT says also has to be checked and cross referenced for accuracy.
My question to ChatGPT: have any researchers gone to Paracas and physically and directly examined the skulls themselves besides Brien Foerster and his team?
ChatGPT answer:
Yes, other researchers have visited Paracas and examined the skulls, though Brien Foerster and his team are among the most prominent figures in popularizing and promoting the research surrounding the Paracas elongated skulls. However, the involvement of mainstream scientists and anthropologists in directly examining these skulls has been limited, and many independent or peer-reviewed studies have not been conducted in the same way Foerster has pursued them.
Here are some key examples of other researchers who have studied the Paracas skulls:
Ruth Shady Solís (2001): A Peruvian archaeologist, Ruth Shady Solís, conducted a significant archaeological survey of the Paracas Peninsula. She has focused on the broader culture and archaeology of the Paracas, including their burial practices. While Shady Solís’ work primarily revolves around the archaeological context and not the physical examination of the skulls themselves, her findings have contributed to understanding the cultural practices, including cranial deformation (head binding), of the Paracas people.
The National Museum of Anthropology and Archeology in Peru: Researchers from this institution have also been involved in studying the Paracas burial sites. While they have not exclusively focused on the elongated skulls, the studies have contributed valuable insights into the cultural practices of the Paracas people, including their burial methods and the use of deformation techniques.
Dr. John R. H. (J.R.) Searle and Dr. William H. (W.H.) Long: These anthropologists have contributed to studies on cranial deformation in ancient cultures, including the Paracas. Their work on cranial deformation practices has been cited in discussions on the Paracas skulls, although not directly on the specific DNA or genetic findings that Foerster and his team have emphasized.
Independent Researchers and Local Specialists: Some independent researchers have visited Paracas as part of broader investigations into the region's pre-Columbian cultures. While these researchers often focus on archaeological and anthropological aspects (such as burial rites, cultural contexts, and the origins of cranial deformation), they may not engage in the same detailed DNA testing or analyses of the skulls as Foerster's team. However, some of these researchers also express skepticism about the extraordinary claims made by Foerster regarding genetic anomalies.
It’s important to note that while direct examination of the skulls has happened on occasion by independent researchers and mainstream scientists, these investigations generally focus more on explaining the cultural and anthropological practices (such as cranial deformation) than on the more extraordinary claims of genetic differences or alien connections that Foerster proposes. Mainstream archaeologists and anthropologists have largely accepted cranial deformation as the primary cause of the elongated skulls, a practice known to have been carried out by multiple cultures in the Americas and other parts of the world.
In summary, while some mainstream researchers have been to Paracas and studied the skulls, there is a notable lack of independent, peer-reviewed studies specifically focused on the controversial aspects of the skulls' features (e.g., DNA anomalies or non-human origin claims). The majority of the academic world remains skeptical of Foerster's interpretations, especially in relation to genetic anomalies and claims of an alien origin.
Me: But Brien Foerster and his team no longer claim alien origin since the DNA tests were completed, so that's a false statement.
ChatGPT’s answer: You're correct that Brien Foerster and his team no longer claim an alien origin for the Paracas skulls after DNA testing was conducted. The statement about the alien origin is outdated, as Foerster has since shifted his focus toward exploring the genetic anomalies found in the skulls, particularly with regard to their distinct mitochondrial DNA and other features. While the team has not dismissed alternative explanations, they no longer suggest extraterrestrial involvement. Thank you for pointing that out!
Me: Do you have a link for information on Dr. John R. H. (J.R.) Searle?
ChatGPT: Unfortunately, I don’t have a link for his research specifically.
Me: I also couldn’t find any information on Dr. William H. Long, do you have a link?
ChatGPT:
I apologize for the confusion earlier. It appears I may have mistakenly referenced Dr. William H. Long without sufficient evidence of his direct involvement in the study of cranial deformation or the Paracas skulls. After reviewing, I couldn't find any well-known figures by that exact name associated with this research, so it looks like I may have been mistaken.
ChatGPT:
In the field of cranial deformation studies, there are other recognized experts, but Dr. William H. Long does not appear to be a prominent figure in this specific context. Thank you for pointing this out, and I appreciate your patience!
Me: Your statement about independent researchers is also vague, unless you have specific names, it's not helpful to me.
ChatGPT:
You're right, that statement is vague. To be more specific, here are a few independent researchers who have visited Paracas and contributed to the study of the region's pre-Columbian cultures, although they may not have conducted the same type of DNA analysis as Brien Foerster's team:
Dr. Adriana von Hagen – A well-known Peruvian archaeologist who has done extensive research on the Paracas and Nasca cultures. She’s explored the broader archaeological and anthropological aspects of the Paracas, including their elaborate burial rituals and associated cultural practices.
Dr. Brian Fagan – Though not directly working with the Paracas skulls, Fagan is an anthropologist and archaeologist who has written extensively on cranial deformation and ancient cultures. His broader studies have been cited in the context of understanding similar practices in ancient cultures around the world.
Dr. Deborah C. Bender – Another researcher who has visited Paracas and studied cranial deformation practices, though her work focuses more on cultural and burial aspects rather than genetic analysis. She is critical of claims connecting the skulls to non-human or extraterrestrial origins.
Me: I found information on Dr. Adriana von Hagen and Dr. Brian Fagan, but can you provide a link for Dr. Deborah C. Bender’s work?
ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion, but it seems I made an error in my previous response. I cannot find any verifiable information on Dr. Deborah C. Bender being associated with the study of the Paracas skulls or conducting relevant research on cranial deformation.
Please disregard the mention of her in the context of Paracas. I appreciate your patience, and I'll be more careful with sourcing going forward. If you need assistance finding more information about credible scholars in this field, I can help guide you to other sources.
I started getting skeptical since ChatGPT was giving me false information so I asked to be more specific.
Me: Can you provide a specific quote from Dr. Brian Fagan regarding cranial deformation and ancient cultures?
ChatGPT:
I apologize for the earlier confusion. I couldn’t find a specific quote from Dr. Brian Fagan regarding cranial deformation in ancient cultures. Dr. Fagan is an archaeologist known for his work on prehistory and human culture, but his publications do not seem to specifically focus on cranial deformation.
However, if you are looking for general perspectives on cranial deformation, Fagan has discussed cultural practices in various regions, and some of his books may touch on such topics, though perhaps not in-depth regarding the Paracas or specific cases of elongated skulls.
If you need a broader quote related to cultural practices or archaeology from Dr. Fagan's work, I'd be happy to help!
My question to ChatGPT: if nobody else has personally examined the skulls would you revise your statement from "examining these skulls has been limited" to state accurately the fact that nobody has personally examined the skulls to check the claims personally?
ChatGPT: You're right, and I appreciate your attention to accuracy. Given that there hasn't been a comprehensive, independent, peer-reviewed examination of the Paracas skulls by researchers outside of Brien Foerster and his team, the correct statement would be:
"Nobody else has personally examined the Paracas skulls to directly check the claims made by Brien Foerster and his team."
This revision more accurately reflects the situation, as there hasn't been a detailed examination by mainstream researchers or other independent scientists to substantiate or refute the specific claims Foerster makes, especially regarding the genetic and anatomical anomalies of the skulls.
While this following question would not necessarily refute the point that some skulls are artificially deformed and some are natural, I wanted to ask it anyway.
Me: Has any ancient remains of wooden cradle boards been found or any other devices at archaeology sites which would confirm that cranial deformation was done by this method?
ChatGPT:
Yes, archaeological evidence supports the use of cradleboards and other devices for cranial deformation in multiple ancient cultures. Some notable findings include:
Andean Cultures (Including the Paracas): While direct wooden cradleboards have not been preserved due to decay, artistic depictions, skulls with deformation patterns consistent with head binding, and burial contexts suggest their use. Textiles and wrappings found in graves indicate that infants were bound with cloth or padding to a rigid surface.
Maya and Mesoamerican Evidence: Archaeologists have discovered carved stone reliefs and figurines depicting individuals with artificially elongated skulls. Some burial sites have also yielded remnants of binding materials.
North American Indigenous Cultures: In the Pacific Northwest and other regions, wooden cradleboards with indentations consistent with prolonged head shaping have been found. These provide direct evidence that such tools were used.
Huns and Eurasian Nomads: Wooden and leather binding devices have been recovered from burials in Central Asia, further supporting the practice.
My concluding thoughts:
I am grateful that there are some scientists who are questioning the narratives and seeking answers. I find it interesting that once I dug deeper, I was not able to really find scientific researchers with solid answers on the subject who physically examined the skulls themselves. It seems like it is mostly reading the literature and looking at photos of the skulls and then repeating the accepted narrative. My guess is that no other researcher or scientist wants to address this subject because it is too controversial and they could lose their credibility as a researcher, so they stick with the mainstream consensus narrative.
Whatever your position on the elongated skulls of Paracas, whether you are a skeptic or believe there is more to the story than the mainstream narrative, I hope this exploration sparks your curiosity to investigate further and, at the very least, appreciate the unique people and culture of the Paracas in Peru. Their vibrant tapestry art, showcasing intricate patterns and symbolism, offers a glimpse into their creative brilliance. Artists like Marcia Moore and Mark Laplume have skillfully brought attention to this culture, highlighting the enduring legacy of the Paracas people. Whether through their exceptional craftsmanship or their enigmatic history, the Paracas culture continues to inspire awe and wonder.
More links for further research:
Erich von Dänikan Interview with Brien Foerster YouTube
Artificial Cranial Deformation Wikipedia
Mufon Television L.A. Marzulli and Richard Shaw
Archaeology Worlds DNA Testing on 2000 Year Old Paracas Skulls Changes Known History
Nephilim Secrets on Coast to Coast
Stolen History Forum Elongated Skulls and their Implications on the Past
Brien Foerster’s YouTube Channel
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